by hilzoy
About Iran: three main points, two of which involve disagreeing with von. That's unfortunate, since I prefer agreeing with him, but them's the breaks.
First, von wrotes in a comment that "Iran also lacks the capability to inflict significant harm on our assets in theater", and uses this as (part of?) an argument that "to pretend that we couldn't inflict substantial damage on Iran while escape immediate repercussions is to engage in fiction -- one not useful to this debate." Since I buy into the "fiction" that we cannot inflict substantial damage on Iran without immediate repercussions, at least if we're talking about inflicting damage militarily, I should explain.
As I see it, our decision to invade Iraq was disastrous on a number of levels, one of which was that we gave Iran considerable leverage over us by ensuring that our army would be, for the foreseeable future, occupied with important tasks in Iraq, during which time it would be an extremely convenient target for Iran. Had we not invaded Iraq, we would not only have our army intact and only preoccupied with one war; we would not have left them scattered about a neighboring country like so many hostages. As it is, however, there they are; and while it would be nice to pretend we do not have to take this into account, that would be, in von's terms, a fiction.
Iran could do all sorts of things to make our lives more difficult in Iraq. It could urge its proxies to attack us more frequently; possibly, quite a lot more frequently. Matt Yglesias claims that Iran could send Iraqi militias a lot more sophisticated weaponry than they seem to have used so far, and even if the very worst of the Bush administration allegations about Iran supplying the militias is true, it's hard to think that Matt's wrong on this point. To quote two sources I trust on this point, here's Andrew:
"Whether or not they can reach these shores, as long as there are U.S. forces in Iraq they don't need to do much more than smuggle more and more sophisticated weapons systems to those we already fight in Iraq to hurt us. Imagine an insurgency armed with surface-to-air missiles and as many explosively formed penetrator IEDs they want. The losses we're taking in Iraq now would pale in comparison to those we would face if we went to war with Iran. Is striking at Iran worth that risk?"
And Wes Clark says that "this is a struggle that will be costly for all involved, will further isolate the region, and whose ultimate outcome is likely to be decided by future incumbencies. Leaders on both sides should recognize that war is the most unpredictable of human endeavors, and that unanticipated consequences almost always follow."
Moreover, there's always the truly awful possibility that Iran or its proxies might attack our supply lines. Here's Andrew again, on the likely results of a Shi'a uprising leading to attacks on supply lines:
"The results would be devastating. For those who think the Israeli actions in Lebanon have been horrid, the results of a U.S. fighting withdrawal from Iraq would be orders of magnitude worse. U.S. forces would, by and large, be able to get out of the country, but they would leave thousands if not tens of thousands of Iraqi dead behind.
This ought to make it quite clear that the U.S. cannot afford such an outcome. Whatever good U.S. forces have accomplished in Iraq over the past three years would be completely destroyed. Our enemies would have a massive victory they could use to rally more fighters to their cause. Iraq itself would not only devolve into chaos, but we would have an inordinate amount of blood on our hands. Whatever mistakes this administration has made thus far, they simply must find a way to avoid inciting the Shiites against the U.S. The alternative is too terrible to contemplate."
These look a lot like "serious repercussions" to me.
Second: speculation about war with Iran generally involves not a US strike out of the blue, but a pattern of provocation by the US that ultimately leads to some Iranian retaliation, which in turn allows us to attack Iran. Some analysts, like James Fallows, don't say explicitly that this might be intended by the US. Others do:
"At least one former White House official contends that some Bush advisers secretly want an excuse to attack Iran. "They intend to be as provocative as possible and make the Iranians do something [America] would be forced to retaliate for," says Hillary Mann, the administration's former National Security Council director for Iran and Persian Gulf Affairs."
There are all sorts of reasons why this would be an incredibly bad thing to do. For one thing, it would be immoral; for another, it would be immensely damaging to our national interests. But one point that I haven't seen made often enough is that this is an incredibly reckless thing to do when we have troops in theater. It amounts to using the people in our armed forces to provoke Iran, or to tempt it into retaliation, as if they were bait in a trap. We should never, never forget that if the Bush administration is trying to provoke Iran, then what it is trying to provoke Iran to do is to attack our troops so seriously that we seem to have no choice but to retaliate; and moreover, that those same troops are likely to pay a very steep price if we do attack. (See point 1 above.)
We owe them better than that.
Third: In normal circumstances, I would agree with von's point about litmus tests. I think that they are, under normal circumstances, profoundly unwise, though I'd disagree with some of his points of emphasis. However, these are not, to my mind, normal times, and in this case I think that some sort of litmus test would be appropriate. (I'd assume that such a litmus test would be subject to the same sorts of unspoken exemptions as, say, most promises: I say I'll meet you for lunch, but you and I probably both know that there are some range of circumstances -- say, your spouse having to be taken to the hospital immediately -- in which you can legitimately fail to show up.)
There are, after all, a lot of things such that, if my Congressperson voted for them under almost any foreseeable circumstances, I would never vote for him or her again given any remotely credible alternate candidate. If, for instance, my Congressperson voted to invade Canada, or to launch nuclear weapons at the UK, or to legalize hunting criminals for sport to save on prison costs, or to cull the unemployed, then under almost any foreseeable circumstances, as far as I am concerned, that would be that.
Most of the time, we don't need to bother to make this explicit. Of course we're not going to invade Canada. Not invading Canada is, I suppose, a litmus test issue for me, but it's one I don't need to bother to inform my representatives about, since I assume that the occasion to use it as a litmus test will not arise.
But this time is different. This time, to my amazement and horror, there seems to be some possibility that we might do one of those disastrous things. Moreover, we have a President who is apparently willing and able to do completely disastrous things, no matter how many people oppose him. So I might as well say so.
Moreover: some of the reasons von gives for opposing litmus tests basically involve bad consequences. For instance: a litmus test on Iran would remove the possibility of attack, which would harm our negotiating position (if we were willing to negotiate; it seems odd to credit the Bush administration with having anything worthy of being called a 'negotiating position' with respect to Iran.) If an attack is called for, it might make people in Congress less willing to go along with it. And so forth.
Here I think it's important to estimate the risks and possible benefits of any litmus test correctly. Publius and me calling for a litmus test on Iran is not likely to "remove the threat of military action from the table." We are not that influential. Heck: even kos is not that influential. All we are likely to accomplish is to make it clear that when Congresspeople consider the use of force in Iran, they should be aware that there is a potential political downside to using it. That might, as von notes, make them unduly hesitant if an invasion were called for, though it would also prevent them from being unduly eager to support military action against Iran if it were not called for.
Question: which scenario is more likely? Personally, I think that it's very unlikely that we will find ourselves in circumstances in which it would make sense for us to invade Iran as things are, with our armed forces preoccupied, our army and marines sitting right next door with bulls-eyes painted on their backs, and our credibility in tatters. Since it would take something truly extreme to make military action a good idea, and since given anything extreme, Americans would probably support military action, I'm not terribly worried about that possibility. The possibility that Bush might get us into war with Iran, and that Congress would fail to oppose his action decisively enough, strikes me as a much more serious danger.
For that reason, even if Publius and I were somehow able to deprive the administration of the ability to make credible threats, I think I'd say: well, that's what comes of having a President who is too reckless and irresponsible to be trusted with the ability to make threats. One more reason to elect sane people to the Presidency. Given our actual power, however, I'm pretty comfortable with the costs and benefits.
About our Republic: I welcome correction by those among you who are Constitutional scholars, but: I have always thought that while we do elect representatives to exercise their own judgment, the point of having them elected at all is to ensure that they are to some extent constrained by public opinion. Normally, I would want those constraints not to be too tight: I want representatives to be free to do things that they take to be unpopular but right, and to wait until the next election before having to face a referendum on what they've done.
That said, however, I also think that the Constitution rightly does not give the power to declare war to any one person, but to the Congress as a whole. Moreover, the Framers of the Constitution seem to me to have envisaged a world in which wars were declared, in which the famous power of the purse was a tool that might actually be used, not an invitation to describe anyone who advocates using it as failing to support the troops, and, importantly, in which Presidents might face reelection, rather than being term-limited out. All of these things would increase the influence of public opinion on decisions to go to war.
We now face a situation that is, I think, quite troubling from a Constitutional point of view. All the tools by which Congress might affect the decision to go to war seem to have atrophied. Moreover, the military budget is complex enough that any attempt to cut out funding for some particular purpose, like, say, a particular war, might very well not succeed. We have a President who is in his second term, and who therefore cannot stand for reelection. Moreover, he is a person who seems to give precisely no thought to the political interests of others or public opinion; and while I do not really want to say that he gives no thought to the interests of the country, his grasp of those interests seems to be nonexistent.
I think that while it's a good idea, in general, not to try to constrain our representatives too closely, the biggest danger we face right now is not that they will be too responsive to our every whim, but that a President with no political stake in how things turn out and no grasp of the national interest might do immense damage to our country and our interests, not to mention Iran. Again: I think that this is the sort of thing that only ends up looking like a good idea when normal mechanisms break down: when we end up with leaders who seem not to give a damn what we think. Likewise, grounding your teenager is not a good idea in general, but when your teenager starts staying out until all hours on school nights, wrecking cars, knocking over convenience stores, and so forth, it might be the best option available to you, given the situation.
It would certainly be odd for someone who knew about your situation to complain that you had insufficient respect for the importance of teenagers' being free to make their own decisions, as though your decision to ground your teenager reflected not a situation that was spiraling out of control, but simply your general dictatorial tendencies.
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