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August 17, 2006

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Turn the whole thing into an alleged blog counting contest to support your opinion.

"Blog counting" has nothing to do with it, dm. The ones I mentioned well explained why Taylor's opinion will not hold water. My point was that there is bipartisan agreement on the low quality of her opinion. You may be satisfied that substandard judicial reasoning doesn't matter because it got to the "right" answer. Or in other words, the end is more important than the means. Predictably, Greenwald thinks so.

Charles,
Your view concerning evidence has often been disagreed with here (I think the discussion of Amnesty stands as the ur-example) But when you say 'the blogs I mentioned' when you don't tell us which blogs those are is pretty weak tea. We have no idea what points you find convincing, so pointing out that this is 'blog counting' is really the only point that can be made.

Greenwald has "predictably" pointed to Laurence Tribe's email to Adam Litvak, which argues that in this case, the end does trump the means. I assume that you don't always believe that the means are more important than the end. The question is why you think that this is not the case here.

But when you say 'the blogs I mentioned' when you don't tell us which blogs those are is pretty weak tea.

Such careless and inattentive reading, LJ. If you look again, you will find that I mentioned Balkin, several at Volokh and that I linked to a dKos diary. These are not obscure, unknown blogs, so I trust that you and most others here are competent enough to find and read them.

As for means and ends, it seems to me that the judicial process is just as--and perhaps more--important as the judicial result. Due process is a fairly important principle, no? In other areas, of course, the relationship between result and process will vary, as many in the sporting world will attest.

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