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December 09, 2005

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This is irresponsible. We need to do something about the deficit.

We did something about the deficit in November 2004. We elected a bunch of people, from the President on down, who don't give a flying fig about the deficit. There has been no discipline because the electorate doesn't care.

it's better for politicians' re-election chances to pay off voters than to pay off the deficit.

count me in favor of a single-term presidency, and term-limits on representatives and senators. do away with the permanent campaign, and maybe we could get politicians who are interested in policy.

The trouble with term limits, as seen here in California, is that the permanent campaign is replaced with the permanent jockeying for the next job up the ladder. No one is interested in policy, as that tends to be boring and doesn't grab many headlines. We tend to get lots of Say No To Badness Acts and other forms of outright pandering.

Cleek

it's better for politicians' re-election chances to pay off voters than to pay off the deficit.

Oddly enough, it doesn't have to be this way. At the federal level in Canada the government has been running surpluses and paying down public debt every year for about 8 years now and those in power have been re-elected more than once.

It's now conventional wisdom that no one will dare run a deficit again.

Totally irresponsible.

But what you'll hear from the official propagandists of the Republican Party, Limbaugh and Hannity, is that revenue will now magically go up.

When I took economics we did sometimes look at what the text books called "empirical" evidence. What the empirical evidence shows is: Republicans = tax cuts = huge deficits. It's been that way since 1980, 25 years of empirical evidence. You can't deny it anymore.

Spin away with your theories of Laffer Curves and other crap now, Wingers. Meanwhile, let's go ahead and borrow ourselves into oblivion.

The right wingers will also probably bring up the always revered Reagan, and point out that we recovered from the deficit caused by the largets tax cut in history. Funny how they always forget to mention that Reagan also increased taxes 7 times while he was in office, which is what led us all to watch Bush I's lips when he said "No new taxes."

This is even more irresponsible when we are fighting a war.

Of course, they don't really have to worry about it, because it will be somebody else's problem when the economy comes crashing down.

Oh hush. In 2016, after seven years of 20% unemployment, you'll fork over a $500,000 bill with the Gipper on it for your cup of Starbucks and ponder whether you should vote for the Christian Reconstructionist or the National Isolationist.

We have been lucky so far in this country because our leaders have so frequently been motivated by greed. Once they get a whole pile of money, they're satisfied. Theocrats are a different kettle of fish. My nagging paranoid fear is that some real power-hungry weasels (Yes, Mr. Norquist, I'm thinking of you.) are encouraging the accumulation of debt in order to seize power during an economic hard landing. They're willing to tip over the apple cart because they don't want apples--they want the cart.

I do hope I'm being paranoid.

Fafblog has a nice metaphor for this:

    Money starts out in Congress where it rains from Senatorial clouds in the form of torrential tax cuts. It collects in rivers and flows downhill into billionaires and large corporations where it is evaporated by lobbyists and rises into the air in the form a campaign contributions which condense in the atmosphere which turn into Congress again, which rain the tax cuts and start it all over again and the wheel of life rolls on. The Money Cycle is all around us every day! Can you find yourself in the Money Cycle?

...and term-limits on representatives and senators.

Colorado has term-limited basically all the elective state and local offices. Various informal studies suggest that one of the unintended consequences has been to substantially increase the informal power of the semi-permenant staff and the lobbyists. Increasingly, that's where the institutional memory of past debates and decisions resides. In informal polls, the legislators indicate they believe term limits have also increased partisanship; they cite the decreased need to get along with term-limited Senator X if he/she won't be back next year.

Yes, Colorado likes to be in the vanguard of destroying government and civil discourse.

Alex:

Paranoid? No, you look around, you observe, you report. Thanks for doing so.

Michael, that's what I've read about California term limits doing, as well.

Cleek: "it's better for politicians' re-election chances to pay off voters than to pay off the deficit.

count me in favor of a single-term presidency, and term-limits on representatives and senators. do away with the permanent campaign, and maybe we could get politicians who are interested in policy."

You weren't around in the 1990's, were you?

Term limits are counterproductive. Seats need to be made more competitive through changes in the Money Cycle (thanks for the clip, cleek!) and redistricting.

I do not see how an economy can be considered as fundamentally sound, as we are hearing a lot of these days, when it is supposedly kept afloat by massive borrowing. It's like we're in a hot air balloon that is leaking badly. Luckily, other balloonists are lending us their propane to compensate. However, we have nothing to worry about because we are still going up.

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