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I am also worried about how "Padilla" problems will be dealt with, the intelligence procedures were not intended to get evidence that would be admissable in court.

Under current standards.

Geez, I go away for a week and come back to this?

How many intelligence agencies do we need? I vote for zero.

Why is it that so many of the same people who think the US government isn't competent to run public schools, roads, etc, are so quick to give the government power to spy on citizens, lock people away without charges, and declare citizens "enemy combatants"? I mean, if you really don't trust government, think it's part of the problem, and want small government, why on Earth would you support creating massive new expensive government agencies to spy on American citizens?

Why is it that so many of the same people who think the US government isn't competent to run public schools, roads, etc, are so quick to give the government power to spy on citizens, lock people away without charges, and declare citizens "enemy combatants"?

Because they're cowards. Behind all their bravado about the U.S. as the last remaining superpower and how we are going to export democracy and make the world free is a frightened child that wants someone to protect them at all costs. 19 men take advantage of a single flaw in U.S. transportation security and the U.S. must be turned upside down in an attempt to make the populace feel safe.

Reading Yhe Last True Story I'll Ever Tell by John Crawford (subtitled: An Accidental Soldier's Account of the War in Iraq) this week I was struck that he quoted Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg Trials. I had seen the quote before but reading it again, more than four years after 9/11 it was stunning:

Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship.... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.

These people are in charge for three more years.

investigate treason, eh ?

well, finally. now all those seditious Democrats can be rounded-up and executed for their treasonous actions! justice will be done. and to think you scoffed at True Americans when they made those accusations... now you'll see - the inside of a cell, that is!

One of the many questions I have about these proposals is: why do we need another agency empowered to do criminal investigations in the US? Doesn't the FBI suffice?

For the same reason the administration created, acting through the Pentagon, new intelligence "agencies" for the Iraq nonsense -- its the bureaucratic front line for effecting changes rather than attacking the issue directly. Want to start up a new regime of illegal snooping on Americans? Use a new agency for it.

The problem with using the FBI is that they may fink on you when you then engage is all sorts of illegal activities under the new authorizations. Such as the torture episodes in which the FBI actually had the temerity to complain about Pentagon torture activities at Guantanamo (particularly when Pentagon torturers who pose as FBI agents).

Why is it that so many of the same people who think the US government isn't competent to run public schools, roads, etc, are so quick to give the government power to spy on citizens, lock people away without charges, and declare citizens "enemy combatants"?

Just wait -- the next step is privatizing the security functions. Outsource the snooping to Halliburton!

"Why is it that so many of the same people who think the US government isn't competent to run public schools, roads, etc, are so quick to give the government power to spy on citizens, lock people away without charges, and declare citizens "enemy combatants"? I mean, if you really don't trust government, think it's part of the problem, and want small government, why on Earth would you support creating massive new expensive government agencies to spy on American citizens?"

Power. They love having the power, when they're in charge. Come the next Democratic President, I betcha it'll be 'I love my country, but fear my government' all over again. And GOPper judges will suddenly drink large mugs of black coffee, wake up and take absolutely no sh*t from any government lawyer. The GOPgelicals will start talking about God again, as something *separate* from the US government.

All of these mainstream media presstitutes who went along with the administration until long after it was clearly screwing things up? By GOP and by Golly, they'll declare that they have seen the light, and will change their tone in DC. Just in time to bash the sh*t out of the next Democratic president.

Bush is an MBA. The point is to put the CIA in competition with the FBI, right?

How many intelligence agencies do we need? I vote for zero.

If only it were that simple. While we no longer have masses of nuclear missiles pointed at each other, the Russians and the Chinese are still not our friends. They are not close to being our friends. We need to know what they are thinking and doing, and for that we need spies. Within our borders, ditto the Mafia, and international drug taffickers. The FBI doesn't just go after tree-huggers and labor organizers.

The hard part is to balance the need for such agencies, with their inevitable grabs for more power.

geoduck writes: " We need to know what they are thinking and doing"

Well, in the case of China, we know exactly what they're doing: Stacking up US treasury bills, and waiting for their chance to use those as leverage to get something they want, knowing full our military is not going to enter the picture.

Why should they bother with spies? Spies are for countries without economic leverage.

Jesus's General has registered a CIFA.mil visitor to his site. His visitor dropped by in July, 2004.

I'm pretty sure a CIFA.mil person dropped by my own humble place, back when I was monitoring SiteMeter traffic obsessively (I'm sooo over it now), but of course I don't have any proof of it now.

For those of you with blogs and tracking software, it might be worth keeping a weather eye open for these visitors.

Maybe by posting about the behavior of CIFA.mil visitors we'll disrupt what could be beneficial intelligence-gathering, but seriously, if they're doing intelligence-gathering from a .mil address, they aren't really very serious about hiding their traces.

It's worth trying to figure out what kind of surveillance is going on in the public internet. We all have viewer ISP backlogs--most free services only go back 100 viewers, granted, but some blogs surely have paid for the extra services.

Now that this story has broke, it seems only fair that people who uphold 1st Amendment rights should publish about CIFA visits to their sites. Where did the CIFA.mil viewer come from, click through to, leave at?

(I know that the result of this sort of exposure will encourage domestic spyers to use TOR or other masking software. Still, if there's a window to publicize this kind of surveillance, we're at it.)

OT, but how about http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-EU-Secret-Prisons.html>this?

I guess we'll find out who New Europe thinks is going to butter its bread, in the long haul.

CharleyCarp: Schiphol is not mentioned in the article, but our papers report that we are investigating too.

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