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Updated my post.

Tangentially, more from Colin Powell's former chief of Staff, Lawrence Wilkerson.

Katherine and Hilzoy, deepest thanks for these posts. I am appalled and baffled at the Senators who've joined Graham in this effort -- Snowe, Collins, Wyden..??

Shouldn't that be "asking them to vote for..." at the top of the post?

Then again, voting in the senate yourself might be the safest way to get it right. Can't trust these pesky elected representatives.

I have a hard time thinking about this stuff I think so I may be wrong here, but I've been trying to imagine how this must look to the other 6 billion people on this planet who aren't americans. Basicaly we are saying to the rest of the world that we have the right to kidnap anyone, from anywhere in the world, hold them in secret for years without any legal recourse, without any of their family or loved ones knowing where they are, and have the CIA torture them, and if they die the CIA officer may be promoted while an internal investigation takes place, which as the record shows is unlikely to apply any punishment, but if it does find fault will not seriously punish anyone.

Tens of thousands of people go missing every year worldwide. Since many of the people we have held have had nothing to do with terrorism, that means that any time anyone in the world goes missing even if the family knows for sure that their loved one had nothing to do with terrorism, can't be sure that their father or mother or son or daughter or brother or sister or wife or husband isn't being tortured to death in some secret American prison somewhere.

Boy if we thought the rest of the world hated us before...

And we reelected this guy?

Frank, Bush lost my parents over Maher Ahar. My father tends to vote Republican--but he's Canadian. They stayed mad over the implications of the Ahar case earlier and longer than anyone I'm familiar with--besides Katherine.

José Padilla, of course, was detained on the battlefield also known as O'Hare airport.

Jamil al-Banna was "caught on the battlefield" at Banjul airport in the Gambia, as was Bisher Amin Khalil Al-Rawi.

Actually, I think Padilla was arrested at O'Hare and brought to NY to be part of criminal proceedings there. You could say, then, that he was seized as an EC from a battlefield that might look to the uninitiated like a jail in NYC.

Our enemies in the global War on Terror will attempt to use any available sanctuary to plot against us. We must therefore deny them sanctuary anywhere in the world. Other nations, especially in decadent Old Europe, may have legal systems which would give sanctuary to the enemies of America. We cannot allow this to stop us from defending America, and thus should skirt these meddlesome laws at will.

It is of utmost importance that all "rights" for non-citizens be disavowed. This must be accomplished prior to the next terrorist attack on the United States. Then, when it is necessary to get tough following the next attack, citizens' "rights" (only those which aren't truly necessary) can be curtailed over the objections of the terrorist-sympathizing ACLU and other liberal organizations. These unnecessary "rights" will undoubtedly be used against us by terrorists - we have some of their training manuals which clearly state this. Only by eliminating these unnecessary "rights" can our country be secure.

Visit our website at lifeandliberty.gov to learn how you can help secure our great country.

/pissing on Franklin's grave

Now I must shower.

Other nations, especially in decadent Old Europe, may have legal systems which would give sanctuary to the enemies of America. We cannot allow this to stop us from defending America,

We allready refused to send one of our prisoners to the US (dutch link) because the court felt that the US could not garantee a humanitary treatment to our satisfaction.

Someone should remind the junior senator from South Carolina that someone captured on a battlefield is a prisoner of war, subject to the Geneva Convention on the treatment of POWs. The comparison to Nazis is especially stupid, since they were (AFAIK) all treated as POWs with all the rights that came with that designation.

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