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October 06, 2004

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As binky noted below, a large number of professors of international relations (fairly prominent ones, at that) have come together with a open letter opposed to Bush. This is not the first group of policy experts who have chosen to... [Read More]

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Yeah, but, they are professors, otherwise known as the elite. And we all know what they're up to.

Not much anyone can say to that comeback.

And that will be the comeback.

Bwahahahaha!! You almost got me on this one hilzoy. Conservative professors, almost bit. This letter is pure boilerplate. I'm guessing you teach. I can't imagine submitting something like this to you. First of all I'd have to assume presidents have that much control over the economy. Then you would have pointed out that I left out all references to the affect of the dot com bust, the recession, the attack, the war, China's economic boom, heck hurricanes for that matter -you know serious issues that actually impact things. You'd have tore me apart like you did that Brooks character. This was a test, just to see if we'd notice. Did this come from Dan Rather?

Don't gloat yet, blogbudsman: two things that have effected the economy are the large drop in tax revenues, created at least in part by Bush's tax cuts, and that little war in Iraq (and Afghanistan) that the Bush League keeps putting on the national credit card.

Re-read the letter: government debt does divert capital from private markets- unless you want Shrub to speed up the printing presses and try to inflate the debt away.

Blogbudsman: Yes, I teach. But if I were looking this letter over, I would note that the writers of this letter do not say, or imply, that Bush's policies are totally responsible for the state of the economy. They cite the indicators to show that Bush's policies have not worked. And this is, in my view, consistent with saying that the President does not control all of the economy (thank God.) All you have to believe is that his economic policies exert enough influence to prevent all the major economic indicators from heading in the wrong direction. And this is, I think, a good assumption, especially since normal growth causes some of them to improve somewhat even in when policy is entirely neutral -- e.g., non-farm employment tends to rise due to population growth, and the stock indices tend to rise, at least over longish periods like four years (as opposed to, say, a week) when the economy grows at all.

Plus, their main concern is with fiscal policy, over which the President has a lot of control, especially now, when the Congress is controlled by his own party, over which he maintains unusually tight discipline. They are talking about the deficit, and they explicitly point out that the deficit is not caused by 9/11 and the War on Terror. They also point out that it's a structural, not a cyclical, deficit -- i.e., that it's not due to recession.

If a budget is basically balanced, it will run cyclical deficits. In recessions people make less money, so tax revenues go down, and also certain sorts of spending (e.g., unemployment insurance) increase: thus a deficit. In good years, tax revenues go up and certain forms of spending go down; thus a surplus. This sort of deficit is cyclical, and it is, as the professors note, not a problem, since it and cyclical surpluses cancel each other out.

A structural deficit is different. A country has a structural deficit when it would run a deficit even if it were at full employment; i.e. even if times are very, very good. A structural deficit means that if the country doesn't want to rack up debt forever (which its creditors will not allow it to do), it has to either cut spending or raise taxes, so that it is spending no more than it takes in. That's our present situation, and that's what they're blaming Bush for. (I'm sorry if you know all this already; I wasn't trying to be condescending; it's just that getting those terms is important for seeing that they are only talking about the part of the deficit over which Bush has control, and I have no idea whether you know econ jargon.)

Besides this, if you want to know their credentials, you should google them. I don't recognize all the names, but the ones I do recognize are impressive. And whatever you think of me, I really don't think that all of them are partisan Democrats, if they're Democrats at all. (As I said, B-Schools are pretty much the most conservative of all, by and large. They really are not known as bastions of the left.)

blogsbudsman:

You would obviously flunk business education.

You recite the hack Bush lines justifying his horrble economic policies, rather than address the very real analysis in this letter.

Over the last twenty years, the economy has endured much worse business shocks than the events during the Bush administration, and yet no one has the dismal economic record of Bush. Examples? The 91 recession was far worse; the S&L melt-down eclipsed the dot.com bust; etc.

And Presidential policy can have a big impact on economic performance. For example, huge structural deficits brought on us by Bush are guaranteed to wreck the economy.

dmb - "You would obviously flunk business education."

Wrong-O Henny Penney.

dmb: be civil. For every answer that takes the form "You would obviously flunk business education", there's an answer that doesn't say that, but just cites the reasons why you think so.

Business School Professors?

Bwa ha ha wha ha wah ha ha:)

These eggheads couldn't manage the night-shift at my local AM-PM mini mart!

Please. If these pin-heads could do anything to create wealth, they'd be, ahem, doin' it:)

These eggheads couldn't manage the night-shift at my local AM-PM mini mart!

Is lack of ability to run a successful business really a topic you want to broach in a discussing about Bush fiscal policy, ND?

Please. If these pin-heads could do anything to create wealth, they'd be, ahem, doin' it:)

Well put, though I suspect you didn't mean the implications to be quite so far-reaching.

Hilzoy:

Sorry for the incivility.

My brother-in-law is a business professor -- he specializes in tax policy. Through him, I have met a few people on this list. He knows several more of them directly or by reputation. Through my brother-in-law, I have been hearing parts of this analysis for a considerable length of time from people whose business it is to try and understand economic policy.

These people have a lot of wisdom, and its very frustrating to see them casually trashed as if their opinions can be laughed away by ad hominem attacks. Also, the content of the letter is very cogent analysis, but is dissed without two words about the analysis.

I have yet to see anyone explain the wisdom of Bush economic policy -- just wise-cracking in response to pretty cogent criticism.

Does anyone expect massive deficits and out-of-control spending to change under Bush until the economy finally tanks from such nonsense? (I guess we will still hear how its still due to Clinton or other things not in Bush's control.)

My brother leads the equity investments division of one of the country's larger banks.
Obviously very economically conservative and not an academic.
His biggest fear with Bush is that our economic debt and instability will encourage foreign investment to pull out. A very large number of American bonds are owned by foreign investors.
They pull out and our credit rating falls way way down and our ability to borrow obviously goes with it.
Econmoic collapse would be imminent. (Oops. Not 'imminent' but a 'gathering storm'.)

"discussing" should read "discussion" BTW.

These eggheads couldn't manage the night-shift at my local AM-PM mini mart!

Please. If these pin-heads could do anything to create wealth, they'd be, ahem, doin' it:)

Care to compare the incomes of B-school professors with those of mini-mart managers? They don't produce wealth? Try telling it to the firms that hire their graduates at very healthy salaries.

Italics tag alert. The first two paragraphs in my last post were quoted. The third was mine.

What is that "preview" button for, again?

Close, italics!

dear bush i would like you to ask if we can have dogs wear seatbelts we care for ourselfs and not our pets. now i now your busy but this means a lot to me &my freinds so please make this true in ILLINOIS.

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