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I can't find enough of his work in English, but Ramadan appears to be the kind of moderate Muslim voice that we ought to encourage. Letting him teach in the US would be a great thing.

For another excellent take on the issue, see Abiola

Excellent find Sebastian. Thanks!

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Thanks for the post on Tariq Ramadan's NYT Op-Ed piece - I had seen some mention of the dustup over his visa rejection on a few blogs: most of the commentary, though, were vicious jabs at Ramadan and his defenders (mainly, it seems, on the grounds that if Daniel Pipes says he's a dangerous Islamofascist-apologist, then he damn well MUST be one, so keep his ass out!) - it's good to see the NYT providing a fair forum for someone like T.R. to stand up for himself, at least - and, more importantly, IMO, prick a few holes in the inflated self-importance of some of the non-mainstream media "echo chambers" (e.g., bloggers) - to whom frequency of repetition MUST be stressed as a metric of influence - since all they really are megaphones of one person's opinion (i.e., truth tinted by ego).
One thing in Ramadan's Op-Ed piece bothered me a little, though: his fourth point:
"...the willingness of some prominent Americans to tolerate Islam-bashing at home...",/i>
I wonder what he is referring to here?
Not there is no such thing as "Islam-bashing" extant in America, of course, but in general, outside of a few fringe cranks (Ann Coulter, Gen. Boykin, etc.: I dunno, maybe Ramadan thinks these people are "prominent"), most of "official" America has pretty much eschewed anti-Islamic rhetoric/action, and, in fact, has gone out of its way to make the distinction between "Islam" in general, and its bloody terrorist-jihadist faction, Just like he does.

Ooops!
Sorry for the italics: Now I will have to go write "Preview is your friend" over and over til I get it right!

Jay C, I wondered about that as well. I came to the same list of potential people Ramadan meant (and also to the same conclusion that they are not exactly big wigs), but when you're over in Europe or the Middle East, an American General probably sounds like an influential person.

I COMMAND YOU TO UNITALICIZE!!!!

heh heh...

There is also a scathing takedown of Pipe's defense of the State Department decision over at Fistful of Euros. I found it very convincing so far as public information available on Ramadan. Pipes doesn't come out looking good, at all.

Hey, it's YOUR blog, YOU unitalicize! (De-italicize? Reverse-italicize?)
In any case, (or typeface) I am definitely of the opinion that Tariq Ramadan's presence in the US as a lecturer (and at Notre Dame, no less) would be a Good Thing in and of itself. If his opinions and ideas are really anything like the precis's of them I have read on the Web, he sounds like a serious and articulate thinker about the problems of the Islamic world - and most importantly, one who has not fallen into the easy trap of mindless "Islamicism" as a be-all and end-all answer.
Even I, a mere blog-commenter, could find points of contention with some of Ramadan's theses; I'm sure that heavier thinkers than I could frame a more serious debate: but not having him over here to debate in person does no one any favors, IMO.

Hey, it's YOUR blog, YOU unitalicize! (De-italicize? Reverse-italicize?)
In any case, (or typeface) I am definitely of the opinion that Tariq Ramadan's presence in the US as a lecturer (and at Notre Dame, no less) would be a Good Thing in and of itself. If his opinions and ideas are really anything like the precis's of them I have read on the Web, he sounds like a serious and articulate thinker about the problems of the Islamic world - and most importantly, one who has not fallen into the easy trap of mindless "Islamicism" as a be-all and end-all answer.
Even I, a mere blog-commenter, could find points of contention with some of Ramadan's theses; I'm sure that heavier thinkers than I could frame a more serious debate: but not having him over here to debate in person does no one any favors, IMO.

Jay, edward was joking. He was commanding the blog. ;)

Then he should have commanded it to not to duplicate my 4:02 post!

Hey, it's YOUR blog, YOU unitalicize!

Actually, that was a command to the server, not you.

And I agree with the other points you make, too. Until we open up the dialog to articulate critics (rather than proceed as if the West is 100% stainless in the clash of cultures*) we stand to only strengthen the beliefs of those convinced we intend to "conquer" them. Ramadan, being staunchly Muslim, but highly educated in Western thought seems a perfect conduit to me.

*I know any concession at all here strikes some as "blaming America first" but I've decided to leave such minded folks behind, draped in their flags, deluded that their approach is more patriotic, as I search for more rational opinions.

Unitalicize for Giblets! Unitalicize noooowwww!

(pause)

Wow. They really have become, like, major-league blogospheric icons and stuff, haven't they? :)

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