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August 24, 2004

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"Via Drezner,...."

Sniffles. No one reads me. I only posted this four days ago. Woe. Woe. Why dost I bother? Alas. Alack. My tree falls in the forest, but no one hears. (Why, yes, it's all about me.)

Your points are all good ones. But, it seems to me there also needs to be a plan to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people (if that's possible), beyond the military plan. If such a "Marshall Plan" exists, it escapes my view.

Not sure this isn't the same point Roxanne is making (and Lord knows I have no desire to offer Rumsfeld an out on this), but had we imported 500,000 troops for improved security, wouldn't that have looked and felt so much more like a full out occupation?

had we imported 500,000 troops for improved security, wouldn't that have looked and felt so much more like a full out occupation?

Probably. But given that 1) it would've been called an occupation if our forces consisted of two Navy cooks assigned to the presidential palace, 2) it is an occupation until such time as full sovereignty is transferred to an Iraqi government which no longer requires us to provide it with a military, and 3) we want to actually succeed instead of looking less imperialistic in the process of losing, I'd say that's the least of our concerns insofar as how large a force we should've used.

good points Catsy...just playing devil's advocate.

Sorry, Gary. Missed it. (I do read you fairly regularly.) I'll revise the post to note your catch.

To Roxanne & Ed: I'm not certain if there's anything we could have done in Iraq to make it a success. However, a large number of additional troop at the beginning of the occupation may have made a crucial difference in restoring order, restoring basic services (electricity, garbage pickup, water, etc.), and "sealing" (to the extent such a thing is possible) Iraq's borders. After the first few months, it may have been possible to reduce the number of troops -- or disperse them -- to lessen the feeling of an "occupation."*

*That said, I come from the "feelings matter less than most think" camp: My sense is that Iraqis might have accepted more troops if they saw real improvements (which would have resulted, in part, from having more troops).

Jeebus, Gary, there is plenty of evidence that Fafnir reads you! Why should you care about lowly us? (as I quickly make sure Gary's link is in my "Best Blogs" folder so he doesn't go off on me).

One of the early consequences of the low troop count was the early decision (ny early June or so) not to disarm private militias, and actually use them to some extent to keep order. This included Sadr's militia at the time.

These forces do not include the irregular guerilla fighters, but the openly armed such as the Peshmerga or the Badr corps.

Sadr is not the only one with an open and private army, nor is his the largest or best equiped -- he just happens to be the only one who is fighting now.

The only thing preventing Iraq from devolving into warlordism is the presence of American troops, and we are essentially one faction headed by Alawi. At least, that's probably how Iraqis see it.

Most of the others have the sense not to confront us, while Sadr is trying to score political points by confronting us. I suspect everyone is waiting for the chance to use their power to carve out a piece of the actio for themselves. I also suspect that everyone is holding onto their militias for just this reason.

Hmpf. I've seen no evidence whatever that there was *any* planning for the occupation. Unless you count accepting the grateful thanks of the cheering multitudes, as they all swear fealty to Chalabi.

You cannot fight with what you do not have. I hear constant complaints about how American soldiers are overstretched. Where do you think those extra 200,000 or so troops were to have come from?

America's military strength lies in well-trained and motivated troops with high-end equipment. You cannot simply find one or two hundred thousand extra, high-quality troops.

Additionally, if Bush had committed a massive build-up similar to the first war, people would now be complaining about how he gave too much time for Saddam to prepare asymetrical defences. The IEDs and car bombs would still be happening. There would still be seemingly random mortar attacks and whatnot. This is a necessary consequence of such a war and occupation.

Your last point is out to lunch. Arafat had the support of the majority of Palestinians, some likely thinking that he was not hardcore enough. Sadr has a small "army" of local goons, Iranians, and other foreign fighters. He is not supported by the major Shia clerics. Sadr is small potatoes.

Examination after the fact is a necessary tool for future success. It is good that people are looking at places where better decisions could have been made, with more information of course. It should not be used, however, to unduly criticize those who actually had to make the tough decisions.

just playing devil's advocate.

Points for the effort, Edward.

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