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December 04, 2003

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Goddammit Moe!

That is two good ideas for the left in three days! Funding, or at least publicizing blogs (Kos, Atrios) would be much better use of resources. Or perhaps teaming Markos with an experienced lefty broadcaster, say Bill Moyers, to show him the ropes, than a year from now let Markos out on his own.

If this blog doesn't stop "providing aid and comfort to the enemy" (sorry Katherine and sort of sorry Von), then Moe, I'm gonna seek the revocation of your VRWC membership card.

Sex doesn't sell cars either. We're all too smart to fall for that.

"If this blog doesn't stop "providing aid and comfort to the enemy" (sorry Katherine and sort of sorry Von), then Moe, I'm gonna seek the revocation of your VRWC membership card."

My Insidious Plan is deeper than you know. :)

Al Gore as figurehead for a Cargo Cult? I don't see why not.

I think the naked ladies thing is based on the fact that people will notice them and there's no such thing as bad publicity for the cause. Personally I think there is such thing as bad publicity, but this isn't it--it's harmless, if ineffective, and I suspect most people involved on all sides enjoy it.

But you're absolutely right about talk radio v. blogs. I say this as a reasonably disinterested observer, because I am a slippery fish or ambipian or whatever in the blog ecosystem and that's riding Moe's coattails--I doubt I'd be high on funders' lists.

Oh, I agree that the calendar's harmless on its own terms.

As for riding coattails... six months from now we may be relying on you to keep up that crucial presence on the Web. :)

Brilliant analysis, Moe.

My Insidious Plan is deeper than you know. :)

Tell us more, Why is it that nudity (or semi-nudity) doesn't sell ideas?

Why shouldn't Giant Puppets, which provide photo-necessities, or, at the very least, photo-opportunities, receive media exposure? It has nothing to do with those present. It's not a question of superstition. The important question is what makes videographers press the record button. Answer: Giant Puppets.

Your silly blogger idea has already been exploited, with little effect, by Tech Central Station. So what's the Plan?

"Tell us more, Why is it that nudity (or semi-nudity) doesn't sell ideas?"

When done in a proper manner, it does. The problem is that you (and I presume, the Giant Puppet People) are focusing on the fact that videographers are pressing the record button and overlooking why. There is, in point of fact, such a thing as negative publicity - which is why any organization or movement infected with GPP has an abyssmal track record of substantive policy changes.

But hey, if you want the GPP to keep doing their thing, go right ahead. It's not like they're any particular danger to any of the causes I follow.

As for the 'silly blogger thing' and TCS... TCS is not directly subsidizing and hosting the largest right-wing and libertarian blogs; they're paying their authors for articles, and 'to little effect' depends on who you ask. I continue to fail to see how funding, say, dKos, Atrios, Drum, Crooked Timber and others so that they may do this sort for a living can be less effective than funding liberal talk radio, given that the former is a proven market for interactive liberal thought and the latter is simply theoretical.

But you knew that already.

which is why any organization or movement infected with GPP has an abyssmal track record of substantive policy changes.

Stopping the Vietnam war and the Multilateral Agreement on Investments don't count as substantive?

"Stopping the Vietnam war and the Multilateral Agreement on Investments don't count as substantive?"

They don't get Vietnam, sorry: the GPP have what appears to be precisely zero interest in actual victims of actual dictators, which pretty much means that their claims to be descended from the prototype performance artists of the Nam demonstrations is, well, false. As for MAI... surrrre, the anti-globalization crowd won that one really, really well.

But tell me, JoJo: are you a Giant Puppet Person yourself? - because it's a little bemusing to actually find someone willing to even indirectly defend people who include the "We Support the Troops When They Shoot Their Officers" types. Brave of you, really.

We Support the Troops When They Shoot Their Officers

Do you really think those people were genuine? I think they were operatives whose mission was to give people something to dredge up in discussions like this. Do I have any evidence? No. But how stupid do you think people are? (I admit, I think people are pretty stupid.) Do you have any evidence that they weren't?

Burden of proof is always on the person who makes the accusation, not on the people who are being accused, and certainly not on people who are sitting on the sidelines watching with amusement.

Can you imagine how drawn-out some court cases would be if accusers could just keep throwing out conspiracies and demanding that the judge and jury disprove them?

"Okay, so you've proven that the picture was not Photoshopped, the people in the picture were actually well-known and popular members of the group that was protesting, that they did actually see the sign and were sufficiently literate to read and understand it before they started waving it... but can you prove that they weren't holding up that sign because alien mind-control rays were making them hold it up? Huh? Can you? Can you? HUH HUH CAN YOU HUH CAN YOU?"

the people in the picture were actually well-known and popular members of the group that was protesting

If you've got evidence to that effect, I'll certainly retract. And, if so, I'll merely be further convinced that people are pretty stupid. What cha got?

Hey, Moe, how do you feel about sock puppets?

Hey, Moe, how do you feel about sock puppets?

Well, Kukla, Fran and Ollie were only silly-harmless, but I always found Lambchop to be somehow sinister.

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